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Originally Posted by Josem  Quote: |
Originally Posted by xp8bg But the other thing - the Hand History - you can't see the hands from the other opponents (these that were folded). |
But you don't need this information.
The long run statistics (even 500 hands was enough to prove the cheating at AP) is sufficient. |
You need it, I'll explain you why. Let's suppose you got AJ, three ppl playin, someone with A6. Flop comes A T 9. You make pot bet, this with A6 call, other two fold. Turn is some blank - 3 for example. You bet the pot again and the guy with 6 kicker tells himself - "Hmm... He played tight until now, maybe he got better kicker, I'll fold this time". So he folds... You don't know know his hand - if he was straight drawing on flop or Tx or lower kicker. Why this matters? Because if 2 players has Aces and they call to see flop, you can calculate the EXACT chance to see another Ace on the flop (when you know the folded hands of the opponents). And if you had the HH with the "folded hands" you can calculate this chance from 1000 deals where both players has a same card and see if there is something rigged, if the chance to come such card on the flop is normal (random) or is the software made so, that this card appears, so both players say - "This hand is mine" and place bets. This is just an example, you can make whatever calculations you like, when you know the cards that were dealt.
The work of the gaming commissions that promote fairplay etc. is this - to them are given 50k HHs with the "folded hands" and these commissions approve it or not, and this is based on simple odds calculations. But the thing is - do you trust ANY gaming commission? Of course NO, why - because anyone can make some gaming commission and get the stupid license to approve gaming softwares. And even if the gaming commission is FAIR, let's suppose it's 100% FAIR, it's the Bill Gates' gaming commission, this guy really don't want any more money, so he makes 100% FAIR gaming commission. The gaming commission then tells the poker network - "Hey you want to be approved by us, by the 100% FAIR gaming commission?" - "Yes we do." - "Then give us some HH's." - "Sure, here they are - 50000 HH's. We hope to get approved ::kind smile::" And it happens - they really get approved by the 100% FAIR gaming commission. Why? Because there was nothing rigged in these 50k HH's they gave them. You getting my point now? Until every player can see for himself, what cards has been dealt to others in the HH's, until then - no one can provide evidence, because there is NO evidence, NO evidence is existing.
The thing is - until WE, the poker players, the guys that play this game online, until we didn't demand FAIR, we won't get it.