[King Michel]

Originally Posted by stu_ungar

There is no such thing as a rigged poker site. If it was rigged then why would the millions of people who play on stars still play if they are getting screwed. You are all victims of bad luck which is going to happen in poker. You could complain and then say Pokerstars is rigged but it happens.

Also some of you listed hands that you have lost due to a BAD BEAT but have not posted any hand histories. How did you play the hand? Could you have gotten away from it? Did you not have a read on the player? What were the percentages? All of these things have to be taken into consideration.

If you are 60% to win the hand it means you will win 3 out of 5 times. The 2 other times you will lose and when it happens you will be shouting. WHAT KIND OF CALL WAS THAT!!! YOU DONKEY!! It was not a donk move you simply fell to the percentages.

Some of you have been saying that poker sites can rig the outcomes of hands. What does the poker site have to gain from rigging it so that you lose your money to another player. If you are playing a $20 sng there is not much point of making you lose. If you were playing against the casino fair enough they would be able to gain something. But you cannot blame the site or casino due to bad luck.

Finally to everyone who is complaining about losing money to bad luck or thick bonehead plays on your behalf why are you still playing? Who is forcing you to play poker? If you are complaining then go away and take your attitude with you. Trust me the only people who will miss you will be the players who are used to taking your money.

I do not mean to be rude but what you all are complaing about is poker. It happens to the pro's but they just get on with the game. So suck it up or quite playing. Simple as that.

u cant have that many bad beats in a row after 2 e mails. it is corrupt and rigged so shuff it

[beerlush]

I can list each odd from the top of my head pal and I have played every site online and I can tell you for a fact that in poker stars I have had the lead with at least 80 / 20 and I can guarentee you I have lost on the river 90 % of the time . These static`s are impossible . The reason why they do this you might ask . One word . GREED . They use there so called random cards mostly for rake hands and use the same so called cards in tournments . the cards are programmed to put the perfect river out there 90 % of the time . Why would they do that , because it increases betting espically in rake games and of course if there are big bets after the flop and then after the turn and then the perfect river comes out then its a good chance that betting will be high and the leader of the hand will call the so called lucky bastards that hooks the river . and that equals a higher rake . I aint no fool . if these guys can program a site such as this they can sure program for the perfect river card 90 % of the time . Poker stars is the worst and I can honestly say I also have had a 95 / 5 percentage lead and have also lost on 2 outer 89 % of the time .

[Schly]

Originally Posted by enter_issues

Of course poker is how you play your cards, but as I said before, some situations require you to go all in pre-flop (short stacked needing to double up) so it boils down to odds and luck after someone calls you - and for many people it seems (my hand history included) highly favored hands get busted out much too often (refer to my older posts for how much "too often" is...) from bad calls.

Agreed. It's not about how often you get AA cracked or how often 77 beats QQ.

It's about odds defying suckouts at an insane rate. Suckouts should follow the odds that have been calculated to a large extent. Sure, some nights it will happen more often than others, but we're talking about 10% or less odds against 90% odds hands going up to maybe 70/30.

When you're playing TIGHT, night after night and the odds are more like 80/20 against your excellent hands even AFTER the flop hits you well, somethings very, very wrong. When you can go 20 tournaments without winning an all in when you're playing nothing but AQ or better, and getting called with J8os all night, something is very very wrong.

The real irony is that you'll cruise along making money, hitting the money night after night, then someone flips a switch and your old routine of tight/aggressive just simply won't do the job. Lasts 3 or 4 days, then back to normal.

It's truly a joke on us. And I have no idea how some of them make money. I found a few players that have made tens of thousands on PS so I follow them around a bit and sit at their tables. They play the same poker I play, they just don't get sucked out on nearly as much.

[rogueJack]

CHECK THIS OUT…
Last week at work I read a lot of forums about the why’s and why nots concerning rigged poker sites and I tell you the one sticks out to me as the big factor is money. I’m a winning player B & M but for the life of me can’t hit my numbers on Poker Stars. So I figured hey I’M GOINGTO SEE IF THERE’S ANY CREDENCE TO THIS FRIGGIN QUESTION……COULD A SITE RIG AND GET AWAY WITH IT? AND IF THEY COULD, WOULD THEY?

I went to one of my friends, a senior programmer and game software designer at my job and said this to her. I’ll buy you lunch you can figure something meets these criteria. (she doesn’t even play poker) unbiased huh? You bet. I said read this forum… the complaints aswell as the arguments standing up for online poker and tell me what you come up with. This was Thursday last week…..I owe her lunch tomorrow.

Her project: If I had to design a poker program that could give a win to a specific player or at least a huge edge regardless of the # of players and to players at multiple tables and still make it pass a randomization deal test……..how would I do it.

SHE SAYS TO ME: Laymans terms. I’d write code sits people in specific seats…..just like when the program knows your out of chips and boots ya to the rail or how when it knows your registered for a tournament and seats you , my program knows where to put specific screennames……because at the beginning of the tourney---- here’s the important part –even though the sequence of cards is random in theory the computer already knows where the cards are going and what they are. And as the tournament goes on who ever I want to sit in the golden seats or not have to deal with it. Then she said give me a couple weeks I’ll figure out a way to rig those ring games aswell as for the SNG? When you are seated that tourney will go to 3 predestined winners edgewise unless they are total morons.
This might not be THE way they bias the games but it is 1 way and with millions at stake and a felon for an owner in Costa Rica…….
I’m sticking with B & M.
More to come..

[Schly]

Originally Posted by rogueJack

CHECK THIS OUT…
Last week at work I read a lot of forums about the why’s and why nots concerning rigged poker sites and I tell you the one sticks out to me as the big factor is money. I’m a winning player B & M but for the life of me can’t hit my numbers on Poker Stars. So I figured hey I’M GOINGTO SEE IF THERE’S ANY CREDENCE TO THIS FRIGGIN QUESTION……COULD A SITE RIG AND GET AWAY WITH IT? AND IF THEY COULD, WOULD THEY?

I went to one of my friends, a senior programmer and game software designer at my job and said this to her. I’ll buy you lunch you can figure something meets these criteria. (she doesn’t even play poker) unbiased huh? You bet. I said read this forum… the complaints aswell as the arguments standing up for online poker and tell me what you come up with. This was Thursday last week…..I owe her lunch tomorrow.

Her project: If I had to design a poker program that could give a win to a specific player or at least a huge edge regardless of the # of players and to players at multiple tables and still make it pass a randomization deal test……..how would I do it.

SHE SAYS TO ME: Laymans terms. I’d write code sits people in specific seats…..just like when the program knows your out of chips and boots ya to the rail or how when it knows your registered for a tournament and seats you , my program knows where to put specific screennames……because at the beginning of the tourney---- here’s the important part –even though the sequence of cards is random in theory the computer already knows where the cards are going and what they are. And as the tournament goes on who ever I want to sit in the golden seats or not have to deal with it. Then she said give me a couple weeks I’ll figure out a way to rig those ring games aswell as for the SNG? When you are seated that tourney will go to 3 predestined winners edgewise unless they are total morons.
This might not be THE way they bias the games but it is 1 way and with millions at stake and a felon for an owner in Costa Rica…….
I’m sticking with B & M.
More to come..

As much as I think PS is rigged, I really disagree with her suppositions.

If Pokers Stars really does use a RNG, and they really do have it tested and certified, then the "rigging" couldn't (or most likely wouldn't) occur within it.

However, do they say anything about what happens AFTER the RNG does it's thing? I don't think so.

So, say you're dealt a certain two cards. The flop is about to come... there is no reason that an additional layer of coding couldn't be added after the rng that analyzes the card choice of the RNG and then rejects it and waits for it to kick out another one, then rejects it again. Keeping this pattern up until it gets served a card that it's willing to play on the board would be all they have to do.

That process could be done in the blink of an eye. It could be done only for the flop, only for the turn or river, or for all three. Hell, it could even be done for hole cards preflop.

If that were done, the RNG would still remain "pure" and be able to be "certified", but the programming done around it would still be dishonest.



Once again, the ONLY reason that I think PS is rigged is very simple. It just outright defies the odds of poker. By a LOT. Two outers should hit, what, 10 percent of the time? Not 75% of the time.

[latinodancer]

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[RiggedStars.com]

Is it just me or does POKER stars have an automatic switch that triggers once your up more than $50? Every time I'm up $50 I can never keep it though I play the exact same way. Just like today I was up $55. I got 3 Kings on a Kc5d9h board. I bet 10 dollars some guy calls, 3s comes on the turn I bet 20 dollars guy calls, river comes 4 c and of couse he hits a straight 3,4,5,6,7. I bet go all in for 30 dollars, And of course I lose 60 dollars to his miracle STraight.

This shit always happens when I'm up. I make large bets and some guy just calls like he knows he has a 100% chance of making his hand on the RIVER.

[TheHade]

I can tell its not rigged, because winners or people who are satisfied dont complain.

and there are just about an even amount of those people compared to the ones complaining.

[RiggedStars.com]

Originally Posted by TheHade

I can tell its not rigged, because winners or people who are satisfied dont complain.

and there are just about an even amount of those people compared to the ones complaining.

Have you been reading this thread? 90% people that have posted agree PSTARS is rigged.

[pinkmist]

I've noticed a couple interesting trends lately on PokerStars. First, if you have QA and are actually lucky enough to have it hit on the flop (a rarity on PokerStars), then someone else is sure to have a better hand. My friend and I have actually started folding it pre-flop because it always loses and it's been working out well. I've played it a few times recently just to see what would happen and each time I hit I've had someone dominated only to watch them suck out on the river. Second, if you're holding QQ, you may as well lay it down even if you hit trips, because someone will have you beat 100% of the time. I can't tell you how many times I've had QQ busted by someone who stayed in the hand with terrible hole cards and won on the river - usually runner runner.

Another strange thing I've noticed is in tournament play. When short stacks move in, if they're called by one of the bigger stacks at the table then they almost always double up (roughly 90%), regardless of what they hold. This has about a 50% chance of happening to you, the human player, but if you really do hold a good hand (AA, KK), then you can have a good laugh as everyone folds to you 100% of the time.

This might not be THE way they bias the games but it is 1 way and with millions at stake and a felon for an owner in Costa Rica…….

So true. Do you all really trust some company based in Costa Rica? Even if PokerStars was one day proven to be the rigged bullshit that it is, I absolutely guarantee that the assholes behind it would face no reprimand whatsoever. IT'S COSTA RICA.

Gamble your money the smart way - stick with brick and mortar. Don't let these assholes that run this rigged poker site get another penny of your hard-earned money.