[vukojebina]

I've been playing and the last few days.. I've had a lot of bad beats.. always with guys calling raises with nothing and hitting the river.

And I found out this tread, because I thought that after losing 20 times out of 21 with KK. (not counting the times i folded them when the A hit the flop, since I definetly lost when that happened).

Out of those 21 times.. since i started counting, I've been against AA 3 times. And the only win came against AA.. with the K on the river.

So I was playing today and there was a situation. Game was 0.1/0.25 cash game. Our table was pretty tight, I was ultra tight because of the recent losses and a guy comes on the table.. after 2-3 games he calls a preflop raise with 5-7 offsuit. There were two callers one with 2-2 and the one other.

The flop comes 9-5-2 rainbow. The guy with the set raises 2 dollars, and the 5-7 offsuit donk calls. Turn comes 7, the guy with set goes all-in and gets called. River is a 7.

After 4-5 games i get delt 3-3.. I limp in, the 5-7 donk limps in also. The flop comes: 7-J-3. I raise 1$, guy reraises me 3$ and I fold. So then I started typing in the chat.. oh man I had a set of 3s, but I can smell a setup for the bad beat and it was coming big time. After that the guy leaves the table.

After him another person came to the table in his seat. And.. we all remember bad beats so I remembered his nickname, since he went all-in on my K-K with 5-6 and flopped a straight. And was beating people with the river card mostly on that table.

So after that I left the table. I don't know if it's pokerstars that are rigged, but there definetly is some sort of cheat program going on. There is no way that so many donks are going in with crap and winning with the river card.

About random nuber generator. I usually play on 3 tables cash game and in about 90% of time the cards I have in my hand on one table are on the flop of another table, but usually another suit. If I have QQ in my hand there will be QQ on the flop on the other table I'm playing. Someone exploited that system and is making the big bucks. It could be pokerstars but it could also be someone else.

[mikibgd]

Someone please confirm if pokerstars is operated by PlayTech, israeli copmany that also runs online casinos. If so, i;ve got an interesting story to tell as i used to operate one of their casinos, cityclubcasino.com ...

[TripleJ05]

bad beats happen to everyone. if you guys keep track, you probably suck out just as much as you get bad beats. they happen a lot more online than live because and there are a lot more hands per hour. it also seems like some of you guys are playing way above your bankroll. if you have $50 in your account, you shouldn't be putting $50 at a table. even putting 5%-10% at a table or in a tournament is a stretch. when doing this bad beats don't hurt as much because you can just rebuy or just enter another tournamnet with no problem.

[RiggedStars.com]

Originally Posted by TripleJ05

bad beats happen to everyone. if you guys keep track, you probably suck out just as much as you get bad beats. they happen a lot more online than live because and there are a lot more hands per hour. it also seems like some of you guys are playing way above your bankroll. if you have $50 in your account, you shouldn't be putting $50 at a table. even putting 5%-10% at a table or in a tournament is a stretch. when doing this bad beats don't hurt as much because you can just rebuy or just enter another tournamnet with no problem.

How about Straight Flushes beating Ace high Flush and my Full House 2 times in NL Holdem in two consecutive hands when I was playing with someone who according to sharkscope was down more than 5000 dollars.

I lost $550 dollars in those two hands. It seems like Stars gives Handicaps.

Is that just bad luck?

[TripleJ05]

that's poker, it happes. plus if you think a site is rigged, why do you have over $500 on the site?

[pinkmist]

Originally Posted by RiggedStars.com

How about Straight Flushes beating Ace high Flush and my Full House 2 times in NL Holdem in two consecutive hands when I was playing with someone who according to sharkscope was down more than 5000 dollars.

I lost $550 dollars in those two hands. It seems like Stars gives Handicaps.

Is that just bad luck?

In the realm of real life, that would be beyond bad luck - it'd be terrible luck. However, in the realm of PokerStars, that's definitely not bad luck... it's just how they script their hands. Just curious, how did your opponent play his hands both times? I'm guessing he played dogshit hands with which he called a raise pre-flop, knowing well-ahead of time that he'd hit something miraculous (they always do). I wouldn't be surprised if they do let donkeys win miraculous hands like that for the sole purpose of keeping them around. Honestly, I've noticed that a lot (if not all) of the players who hit ridiculous hands like that are losing badly on sharkscope.

Also, if you'll read my previous posts in this thread, I talk about PokerStars possibly putting computer-controlled bots into their SnGs. What I've found strange recently is that each person I've suspected to be a bot has the same trend in sharkscope - they either win $0 or are in the top 9, every single time. I've been doing some math regarding the maximum possible payout potential in SnGs if PokerStars uses bots and it's really pretty astonishing. I'll post that a little bit later once I get it fine-tuned.

[pinkmist]

I almost forgot something I wanted to include in my previous post. If you sharkscope any of the pros that are endorsed by PokerStars, you'll see that EVERY SINGLE ONE of them is LOSING. Seems a bit odd to me that people who make a living off playing cards can't turn a profit on PokerStars.

[RiggedStars.com]

Originally Posted by TripleJ05

that's poker, it happes. plus if you think a site is rigged, why do you have over $500 on the site?

No that's not Poker. How many times have you seen a STraight flush beat an Ace high flush and Full house in NL holdem, two times consecutively. Both times the guy called with crap. 57 spades I had Ace high flush. 79 hearts I had K's FULL of Nine's.

And that shit doesn't happen once a day. Once in 50 hands i happens everyday. No this is my first time playing there. I'm never playing there again.

Do you work for PSTARS or something. I am aware that PSTARS pays people to promote their site on online forums. It makes me sick!!!

Originally Posted by pinkmist

In the realm of real life, that would be beyond bad luck - it'd be terrible luck. However, in the realm of PokerStars, that's definitely not bad luck... it's just how they script their hands. Just curious, how did your opponent play his hands both times? I'm guessing he played dogshit hands with which he called a raise pre-flop, knowing well-ahead of time that he'd hit something miraculous (they always do). I wouldn't be surprised if they do let donkeys win miraculous hands like that for the sole purpose of keeping them around. Honestly, I've noticed that a lot (if not all) of the players who hit ridiculous hands like that are losing badly on sharkscope.

Also, if you'll read my previous posts in this thread, I talk about PokerStars possibly putting computer-controlled bots into their SnGs. What I've found strange recently is that each person I've suspected to be a bot has the same trend in sharkscope - they either win $0 or are in the top 9, every single time. I've been doing some math regarding the maximum possible payout potential in SnGs if PokerStars uses bots and it's really pretty astonishing. I'll post that a little bit later once I get it fine-tuned.

Like I said the guy had shit hands. Not even 2 pair. He was drawing to a flush with a 57 spades when I already had an ace high, sharkscoped this guy and he is down 5000 dollars+ I'm down about 500, so I guess pokerstars set me up with that hand. The guy I was playing was also the Biggest Donkey every. Some other guy went all in against this guy with pocket aces. Low and behold he called all in for $250 some dollars with a pair of 7's and hits quads.

Fucking rediculous the bad beats PSTARS deals. Cards are totally unrealistic. Next hand I had pocket KK so I raise he calls with 79 of hearts. Flop comes K44, I have a FH he has shit... I bet 90 dollars he reraises me, I call and reraise all in, turn comes 5 of hearts, river 6 of hearts, he wins with a straight flush 4-9. Sick shit. Bad beats like that happen and I notice its aways against some REtarded DOnkey whose losing big money----Of course they win a few big hands, I guess PSTARS does that to give them hope.

Oh yeah this guy also beat me a few hands later for a 300+ dollar pot when I had FH and he caught quads. That's right I had AA flopped A39. Mr.Donkey calls with 10-9 with no flush draw, he just likes calling with shit. I make a big bet he calls me all in. Turn 9 river 9, he wins with 4 of a kind 9's.

What I have noticed is I can get a good run of cards and be up a few hundred but than I NEVER HIT and when I do hit a HAND against some DONKEY whose down thousands of dollars according to sHarkscope, I lose it all with hands like Ace high flush vs Straight flush, FH vs straight flush, Quads beaten by higher quads, the most insane shit, it just makes me sick, cause PSTARS gets your hopes up and than shatters them. I've uninstalled that shit..i am never playing online Poker again its so RIGGEd.

I was stupid to believe I could win in online POKER. And I'm not just a bad Player. I'm won every time I played at a CAsino---but wanted to try the online thing because I don't live near a CASINO and dont' have friends that play Poker.

Have you noticed that once you start winning a SWTICH GOES OFF AND you either get the shittest hands, or get the nuts BROKEN with some Miracle draw that a DONkey always hits. CRAZy shit, I've seen Quads over Quads, STraight flush over Ace high flush on an unpaired board, STRAight flush over FH...all while playing no more than a few hundred hands of Holdem. PSTARS is so RIGGED its not even FUNNy.

My friend made a joke...PSTARS is so RIGGED Even the BOTS get bad beat. And that about sums it up. I often get the feeling I'm playing with BOTS, they call with shit but hit runner runner and always for big money.

[RiggedStars.com]

Originally Posted by pinkmist

I almost forgot something I wanted to include in my previous post. If you sharkscope any of the pros that are endorsed by PokerStars, you'll see that EVERY SINGLE ONE of them is LOSING. Seems a bit odd to me that people who make a living off playing cards can't turn a profit on PokerStars.

Yeah kidPoker is down...it's not just negraneau, it's Raymer, Moneymaker, Hachem, everyone who plays is fucking down cause it is rigged like a BITCH.

Its simple no one wins playing at PSTARS. Sure they may be up a bit now but it's just a matter of time before PSTARS takes it all back. In fact out of everyone i talked to while playing, no one has said that they are winning at PSTARS. You know why? CAUSE ITS RIGGED against good play to give DONKEYS an edge and generate HIGHER RAKES. IT's fucking sick.

But than again it shouldn't come as a Suprise. PSTARS is owned by a JEWs.

[pinkmist]

RiggedStars, I agree whole-heartedly with just about everything you mentioned in your posts.

Originally Posted by RiggedStars.com

Have you noticed that once you start winning a SWTICH GOES OFF AND you either get the shittest hands, or get the nuts BROKEN with some Miracle draw that a DONkey always hits. CRAZy shit, I've seen Quads over Quads, STraight flush over Ace high flush on an unpaired board, STRAight flush over FH...all while playing no more than a few hundred hands of Holdem. PSTARS is so RIGGED its not even FUNNy.

I have also noticed this. Once you start losing again, it's either because your hole cards are completely unplayable (and if you do play, you miss every single time), or you have the nuts busted every single time. There is no variation.

Originally Posted by RiggedStars.com

Its simple no one wins playing at PSTARS. Sure they may be up a bit now but it's just a matter of time before PSTARS takes it all back. In fact out of everyone i talked to while playing, no one has said that they are winning at PSTARS. You know why? CAUSE ITS RIGGED against good play to give DONKEYS an edge and generate HIGHER RAKES. IT's fucking sick.

I agree, but I don't think they are really trying to generate higher rakes (they could be, but I think it is just a side-effect of their card distribution).

Take a look at the calculations here for a 180-person $20+$2 SnG on PokerStars. I've listed at the top the total of all entry fees, PokerStars' share of the entry fees, and the percentage of prize pool earnings for each winner -- this is the same information found in the tournament lobby. However, down below that, you'll find some calculations related to PokerStars' usage of bots for players, including the total amount of human-paid entry fees, the amount PokerStars would have to compensate (ignoring the $360 cut they would get in a straight tournament, since their earnings would then come from the bots placing in the money), and the amount of bots per table. It starts getting really interesting down where there are only 20 bots in the tournament (1 per table).

20-table NLHE $20 + $2 tournament
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STRAIGHT TOURNAMENT
$22 x 180 = $3960 (theoretical 180 humans registered)

$360 is PS cut

$3600 prize pool
1 - 30%
2 - 20%
3 - 11.90%
4 - 8%
5 - 6.50%
6 - 5.00%
7 - 3.50%
8 - 2.60%
9 - 1.70%
10-18 - 1.20%

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RIGGED TOURNAMENTS
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90 HUMANS / 90 BOTS
$22 x 90 = $1980

PS must pony up $1620
90 bots in tourney (4.5 per table)
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120 HUMANS / 60 BOTS
$22 x 120 = $2640

PS must pony up $960
60 bots in tourney (3 per table)
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150 HUMANS / 30 BOTS
$22 x 150 = $3300

PS must pony up $300
30 bots in tourney (1.5 per table)
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160 HUMANS / 20 BOTS
$22 x 160 = $3520

PS must pony up $80
20 bots in tourney (1 per table)

As you'll notice at 1 bot per table, PokerStars would only have to invest $80 to complete the $3600 prize pool. This is interesting because they would only really need 1 bot at each table and $80 is a drop in a very, very large bucket to them.

Now for the next part of the equation. Take a look at these possible payouts I've calculated based on the tournament placings of the PokerStars bots. Remember: a straight tournament of this sort would only net PokerStars $360.

With a rigged $22 tournament, PS puts $ on the line, but is guaranteed
that $ back because their bots cannot lose (assuming they can see all the 
cards dealt and to come on the board).
  
They stand to net themselves (with 20 bots in the tourney):

1 through 9, $3211.20 - $80 = $3131.20 (a $2771.20 increase)
1 through 5, $2750.40 - $80 = $2670.40 (a $2310.40 increase)
1 through 3, $2228.40 - $80 = $2148.40 (a $1788.40 increase)
2 through 9, $2131.20 - $80 = $2051.20 (a $1691.20 increase)

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They stand to net themselves (with 30 bots in the tourney):

1 through 9, $3211.20 - $300 = $2911.20 (a $2551.20 increase)
1 through 5, $2750.40 - $300 = $2450.40 (a $2090.40 increase)
1 through 3, $2228.40 - $300 = $1928.40 (a $1568.40 increase)
2 through 9, $2131.20 - $300 = $1831.20 (a $1471.20 increase)

That's quite a bit of money! For just ONE tournament out of tens of thousands, if not more, that go on every single day!!

That said, please don't misunderstand me -- I'm not saying that this is proof of PokerStars being rigged. However, I do think it is rigged and rigged in a very smart fashion. With this sort of money to be made and with all of the strange things that go on in PokerStars games, I can't possibly help being suspicious of their games being rigged and neither should you.

Also, I have a good explanation for the amount of players on PokerStars. As I was calculating all of this, there were 110,000 players online. If PokerStars used bots, that would be a good explanation for why there are so many players and why you never see the same bots winning the same tournaments (because there are so many different bots). This would be a great scheme because proving any single player to be a bot would be impossible due to privacy issues.