[polkai444]

Poker stars is so rigged it isnt funny.people say well why would they cheat?Well heres why.Almost every tournament lasts roughly the same time,take for example the sunday million every week its over arounf the same time,how can that be when you have 5000 entrants or so,the reason is that they create action flops to eliminate people and so on so these tournam,ents dont last forever.and the best is when tou complain they bring out the "rcg" excuse,random card generator.FUCKIN BULLSHIT is what I say.

[goodplayer]

Pokerstars is a rigged piece of shit poker site. I flop a flush of daimonds then the turn and the river kill my hand becuase two more daimonds comes out the whole board was all daimonds. I flop the nut straight then the turn and the river screw my hand over becuase there was an exact same straight on the board. cant win nothing not even with a hand that is the favorite to win. Its a joke!!! It happens to often its ridiculous, its not fair! I hate POKERSTARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[RealWon]

that's right riggery! remember sending that e-mail to pokerstars. In short "i think i'm being cheated" in so many words. Their responce "RNG and they have the best security,algorithems blah blah blah" they never asked once "well who's cheating you". it's "we regret your streak of bad luck". that's it, no more no less. well folks to be truthful...I believe it's rigged, for one reason and one reason only. "money"!!!!
Ya know how ya being cheated. let me tell ya. you see how many low limit players they have. It's thier biggest $ maker. and players at that level, just want to learn. thier not thinking about the player that never chats, is in every hand and seems to catch what he/she needs on the river a lot. to them it's the price of learning. not knowing that a ps bot is robbing them blind. but try and move up in limits, and watch the play change after a few sessions. that player that calls all-in with 56 off and makes a boat. you'll see more rivers make the opponents hand than yours. you think "how do they call with that flop?" maybe they know what's coming! or maybe it's a ps bot!
Good pp, know when they have the best of the flop and will play accordingly,win or lose the hand. but to have to watch as a player continues to suckout on the river is obsurd. odds are odds, they sway occaionally but they don't change much. on pokerstars they change dramatically, from the flop to the river. "meaning" you go from a 90% favor to win the hand, to losing to a 1 or 2 outter,runner runner or 4 to whatever hitting on the river. the worst is when that gutshot hits. what luck "bs" what riggery!!!!
yes bad beats do happen, but on ps it happenes way to often.
tourney play is way riggery! yeah we've all noticed that they player with the high chipstack wins hands just cuz they have more chips, playing crap and catching. now what if that player is a pokerstars bot! yeah i know. sickening!!
"money is the root of all evil". believe that. pokerstars is raking in so much so fast, it's all their focused on. so, thier soft or hardware,rng,algorithems,
are being neglected. no one checks to see if programs are running correctly or if cards are being dealt correctly. here's one we know, flop trips go all-in, get called by a player with nothing, no pair,no draw...till the turn, bring a possible str8 or flush...then the river drops the hammer and istantly your a railbird. yeh i'm still playing at ps, still think i can retrieve some of the 26K i've dumped on the site. look and learn cuz ps will never admit to any riggery of any kind. i suggest we get with sue and see if a lawsuit will change anything.
cuz we put our $ and trust in this site,and we deserve fair poker play. as far as handicapping goes,it could be the #1 reason why players lose in such big ways. the site itself should not place ratings on players, period!!! Let your play speak for itself! nothing wrong with keeping your own stats and notes. cuz i believe the system responds accordingly. it won't give a novice player a fair chance at winning if he/she decides to play a higher limit. thier Rng will allow the cards to fall in the higher ranked players
advantage, not sometime, all the time. befor you go with ps.. just watch a few tourney tables...ring game and sng for a while. believe u me there's something fishy about pokerstars.

[nightrider001]

I agree I lost about $30 on it. But luckily I won from freerolls. So I quit because I just kept on losing, im on FTP now

[pssux]

I agree with everyone in this thread who's stated Pokerstars is rigged. For those who've posted about whining, losing hands is a regular thing, online poker is not rigged, etc... that may be true in most instances but pokerstars is bullshit, plain and simple.

The sheer number of straight draws, flush draws, full houses, AA v KK, and river suckouts is just ridiculously out of proportion when compared with live play or even other online sites.

I've lost count how many times I've been knocked out of a sng or low level tourney by someone holding absolute crap to my 80 - 90 % winner. If you flop a st8 you can bet your ass someone will hit a flush, higher st8, or fullhouse on the river 9 out of 10 times. It's gotten to where if I'm holding 2 pair after the flop I'll dump that hand almost everytime... Why? Because, some idiot will chase his or her hand to the river and of course hit a set, or st8, or flush, or, etc... you get the picture. Someone mentioned earlier how they're able to call, with a degree of certainty, the cards that will fall after viewing the flop at ps. This is a painfully true statement. Play at ps for an extended amount of time, (I've been there about 9 months), you'll quickly be doing the same.

I'm going to post one of the more disgusting suckouts I've had in recent memory. Before anyone mouths off about how I played this wrong, I should have raised more, pushed harder, etc... shaddap and read. The guy to my left had been playing like an absolute donk the entire game. He'd bet 10x bb before flop, go all in before flop, chase with crap, etc... He'd lose half his stack, win some back, get lucky, lose more, push all in, get lucky, etc... just a total asshat. The person seated to his left was playing extremely tight. I don't think I'd seen him or her raise a single hand prior to this one. So, anyhow... I'm dealt Q's, I flat call the BB, idiot does what he does best, raises, mr tight calls as do I. Flop comes, A A Q. Mr tight actually comes out betting, (I'm thinking he/she might, might be holding AA) Again I flat call in hopes idiot will push all in... idiot doesn't disappoint... all in he goes, mr tight follows, all in I go. (mr tight is making me nervous, but really, what are the odds...) Cards are turned, idiot has A crap, mr tight has QJ. All A's up, all Q's up... I'm thinking this one is in the bag, but noooooo. Turn comes, J, river comes, J... idiot wins. I just about throw my monitor out the window.

I've deleted some info, personal preference, "pssux" is not my pokerstars alias. Sue me.

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PokerStars Game #1##########: Tournament #7#######, $1.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2008/01/## - 18:50:56 (ET)
Table '7###### 3' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: solarius (1710 in chips) Seat 2: Mich113 (1900 in chips) Seat 3: pssux (2055 in chips) Seat 5: aslan_ali (4010 in chips) Seat 6: davestater (1380 in chips) Seat 7: The Pocketer (4770 in chips) Seat 8: goldtoof (1255 in chips) Seat 9: J_WILK_24 (3660 in chips) aslan_ali: posts small blind 25
davestater: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pssux [Qh Qs]
The Pocketer: calls 50
goldtoof: folds J_WILK_24: folds solarius: folds Mich113: folds pssux: calls 50
aslan_ali: raises 100 to 150
davestater: calls 100
The Pocketer: folds pssux: calls 100
*** FLOP *** [Ac Ah Qc]
aslan_ali: checks davestater: bets 150
pssux: calls 150
aslan_ali: raises 3710 to 3860 and is all-in
davestater: calls 1080 and is all-in
pssux: calls 1755 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [Ac Ah Qc] [Jc]
*** RIVER *** [Ac Ah Qc Jc] [Jh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
aslan_ali: shows [5h As] (a full house, Aces full of Jacks)
pssux: shows [Qh Qs] (a full house, Queens full of Aces)
aslan_ali collected 1350 from side pot
davestater: shows [Js Qd] (a full house, Jacks full of Aces)
aslan_ali collected 4190 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5540 Main pot 4190. Side pot 1350. | Rake 0 Board [Ac Ah Qc Jc Jh]
Seat 1: solarius folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Mich113 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: pssux (button) showed [Qh Qs] and lost with a full house, Queens full of Aces
Seat 5: aslan_ali (small blind) showed [5h As] and won (5540) with a full house, Aces full of Jacks
Seat 6: davestater (big blind) showed [Js Qd] and lost with a full house, Jacks full of Aces
Seat 7: The Pocketer folded before Flop
Seat 8: goldtoof folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: J_WILK_24 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

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Of course, I"ve never played in the higher level games, except the $4.40 / 180 sitngo, but that wasn't very often. I will never deposit money at pokerstars again.

Disgusting, yes? Mind you, this is just one of many, many, MANY suckouts to have killed me at ps. I could post more yet, what's the point... you either play at ps and have come to the conclusion the site is f'ing rigged or you don't, nothing I say here will change anything. I felt like venting, I googled "pokerstars is rigged" and found this thread, I posted, now I'm going back to playing fulltilt, carbon, or bodog. Good luck to everyone.

Pokerstars Sucks!

[HRI_Epic]

My 2 cents on this thread.

First off, I can't say for certain that PS - or any other site for that matter - isn't rigged. And while I get the whole 'The more players they knock out, the more rebuys/re-entries they get' argument, here's what doesn't make sense to me:

1) This is a transparent operation. I mean the games themselves can be documented and analyzed. While I've heard a lot of, 'Hey look at the hand history for this S&G' or what have you, I haven't seen a genuine statistical analysis of, say, 25K hands. I have to imagine that with +100K players online most days and with at least some of those players being mathematicians and accountants with DB experience, SOMEONE would feed the data into the machine and have it spit out a result that says, 'Yes, this site's RNG is hinky'. I haven't seen that yet. What I've seen is a bunch of people, obviously on tilt, saying, 'I had 10 bad beats in a day' or, 'I had a 30 day streak' and that PROVES the site is rigged. Surely PS would recognize the possibility of someone documenting a rigged site if the rigging of that site is right out there for anyone to measure and prove.

2) Like with any conspiracy, there have to be some people in on it. The owners, core staff and management of not just PS but of any site lack the programming ability to run their own servers and software. That means an IT staff and for an outfit like PS that's got to be a pretty big group of people. Over the years how many? Dozens maybe? Hundreds? And with all the money floating around out there and all the press on internet gaming AND with US Indian casino owners trying to shut it down via Congressional legislation, not one of these IT folks has come forward and said, 'Yes, they use bots' or, 'Yes they knock out strong hands to put people on tilt so they rebuy and/or re-enter'. I haven't heard or seen that anywhere and I've looked thoroughly.

3) Has anyone studied the RNG and stats for fake money tables? I've always wondered how I can stack $1M or more per day playing fake money S&Gs but not do nearly as well by percentage when I move to cash. And yes, I recognize the game is totally different on cash tables versus fake but, if anything, I normally do BETTER on cash tables as the play is more structured, more accurate, more predictable, etc. So is it possible that rather than the cash money tables being rigged to knock out the favorite hand, are the fake money tables - which need not be 'regulated' at all as they're just for entertainment - set up to keep more players in so they don't get frustrated and give up on the game? I have no idea but it's an interesting thought.

Alright, that's all I have to add.

Cheers -

</epic>

[pssux]

PokerStars Game #**********: Tournament #********, $1.00+$0.10 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2008/01/21 - 19:18:12 (ET)
Table '74369025 104' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: goxo (8174 in chips)
Seat 2: pokernut92 (4820 in chips)
Seat 3: frankgrim666 (3632 in chips)
Seat 4: MyBabyTank (2245 in chips)
Seat 5: pssux (4590 in chips)
Seat 6: Supertramp77 (8275 in chips)
Seat 7: Juan Hunglow (8970 in chips)
Seat 8: wipeyourace (5148 in chips)
Seat 9: 300b (3875 in chips)
MyBabyTank: posts small blind 75
pssux: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pssux [5c 9h]
Supertramp77: folds
Juan Hunglow: folds
wipeyourace: folds
300b: folds
goxo: calls 150
pokernut92: folds
frankgrim666: folds
MyBabyTank: calls 75
pssux: checks
*** FLOP *** [9s Kd 5d]
MyBabyTank: bets 450
pssux: raises 2100 to 2550
goxo: folds
MyBabyTank: calls 1645 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [9s Kd 5d] [6c]
*** RIVER *** [9s Kd 5d 6c] [Th]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
MyBabyTank: shows [9d Ks] (two pair, Kings and Nines)
pssux: shows [5c 9h] (two pair, Nines and Fives)
MyBabyTank collected 4640 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4640 | Rake 0
Board [9s Kd 5d 6c Th]
Seat 1: goxo folded on the Flop
Seat 2: pokernut92 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: frankgrim666 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: MyBabyTank (small blind) showed [9d Ks] and won (4640) with two pair, Kings and Nines
Seat 5: pssux (big blind) showed [5c 9h] and lost with two pair, Nines and Fives
Seat 6: Supertramp77 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Juan Hunglow folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: wipeyourace folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: 300b folded before Flop (didn't bet)


Very next hand:

*********** # 1 **************
PokerStars Game #**********: Tournament #********, $1.00+$0.10 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2008/01/21 - 19:20:45 (ET)
Table '74369025 104' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: goxo (8024 in chips)
Seat 2: pokernut92 (5195 in chips)
Seat 3: frankgrim666 (3482 in chips)
Seat 4: MyBabyTank (4640 in chips)
Seat 5: pssux (2270 in chips)
Seat 6: Supertramp77 (8275 in chips)
Seat 7: Juan Hunglow (8820 in chips)
Seat 8: wipeyourace (5148 in chips)
Seat 9: 300b (3875 in chips)
Juan Hunglow: posts small blind 75
wipeyourace: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pssux [7s 7h]
300b: folds
goxo: calls 150
pokernut92: calls 150
frankgrim666: calls 150
MyBabyTank: folds
*******: raises 2120 to 2270 and is all-in
Supertramp77: folds
Juan Hunglow: folds
wipeyourace: folds
goxo: calls 2120
pokernut92: folds
frankgrim666: folds
*** FLOP *** [Jc Qc Js]
*** TURN *** [Jc Qc Js] [8d]
*** RIVER *** [Jc Qc Js 8d] [9s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
goxo: shows [Th Ks] (a straight, Nine to King)
pssux: shows [7s 7h] (two pair, Jacks and Sevens)
goxo collected 5065 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5065 | Rake 0
Board [Jc Qc Js 8d 9s]
Seat 1: goxo showed [Th Ks] and won (5065) with a straight, Nine to King
Seat 2: pokernut92 folded before Flop
Seat 3: frankgrim666 folded before Flop
Seat 4: MyBabyTank folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: pssux showed [7s 7h] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Sevens
Seat 6: Supertramp77 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Juan Hunglow (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: wipeyourace (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: 300b folded before Flop (didn't bet)

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The fucking site is bullshit.

[vukojebina]

Here are a few things that happened in 3 heads-up matches in a row. All against poor post flop players so i even managed to win one of them.

These are just a few hands that I didn't fold and the other player went to checkdown

First game.. the one I won. Lasted around 30 hands:
- he flopped a nut flush twice
- and twice a full house (never with a pocket pair)

Second game around 20 hands... this one i lost quickly
1x flush
1x set (one with pocket pair)
1x fullhouse K2626 board with me having a 6 and he KK

Third game.. this one lasted longer around 70 hands, guy with no post flop skills, the ones I've seen he flopped:
2x flush
2x set (once pocket pair)
2x straight
and a straight flush 35K (all hearts) i went all in with ATh the river came a 6h, (he had 24h) destroying my chip lead

He also got delt AA and KK once... but i managed to dodge those two.

After that straight flush i wen't on a tilt... and he went all-in every game. But i knew already even if i get AA, he'll bust me and he did when i called him with 77.

Not to even start mentioning that one game i got delt 7T 8 times. Q2 suited 3 times in 5 hands and more.

Also played one tourney today, got busted really quick limits were 20/40, I got delt AA, the guy raised to 180 i raised to 500, he went all-in. We flip over cards and he shows me his K2 of clubs, flop comes K28 turn K.. and the river another rag. Gr8

I wonder why my bad beats don't happen so often on Partypoker. And mostly when they do is because of my stupid play.

[CNKIWI]

Originally Posted by AMADALA

there is an obvious lack of intelligence on your part as far as online poker being rigged goes. POKERSTARS IS NOT RIGGED in your eyes, i have read what you have written. can you honestly sit here and tell everyone that POKERSTARS does not assign a handicapp to each player??

it is impossible that i am constantly winning on party poker and in real life games, and continue to lose my freaking ass on the most obvious set ups on stars!!! there is no way that that site is legit!!! no way!

not even about the bad beats, it is just so damn obvious when they want you to lose. they will give a player with a higher handicap 10-3 offsuit with 4 left in a sit and go, he is low so will go all in trying to steal your BB, btw, you obviously call with AA, and you lose???????? in a 215 sit and go???? more than once when your balance nears 0??? wake up and smell the coffee.

i won a 33 yesterday at party, 320 players, i dealt with 2 others. zzzzzzzzz

pokerstars let me win a few dollars in tournys but made sure to take it all back in sng's.

i was leading the sunday million a few months ago with 22 players left, i went from 6 million chips to 0 in a matter of 3 hands?????? fck you poker stars!

8 hours i wasted for 2500 bucks!!! QQ,AA,KK--- one after the other?? lost to 777,23456,AJ. makes me wanna puke!!!!! it was already determined that i would make only 2500 that day. on my way to 22nd, i played perfect. dished out a few bad beats. received a few too. but they gave me cards that i had no choice but to play all in! i lost three straight hands and that was that!

giving a player like me 2500 was just enough to make me play for another week before another deposit! i swear on my daughter that i did not place in one sng after that. from 55-525, nothing!!!!!!!

finally!took me a few hrs read the whole alot!14 pages,not too bad...i like Amandala's F U pokerstars!
i love the game of poker too.i've been playing poker for quite a few yrs now n been with PS for just less than 5 months.i am a winning live game player,cant call myself a shark but definately not a dumb donk.i work fulltime n only play those $1,$2 SNGs .gd for just 1or2 hr relaxing fun time afta work i thought.

i play avg 7 SNGs a week,sometimes more than 10.1st 2 months was okay,i could get into the top 7(45 players)reasonablly often.if i lost on a coinflip,fair enuf thats poker.but from 2 months ago,things changed

after my 1st deposit in Oct 07 i finished in top 7 6 times out of 11(won twice,1 2nd),in the last 18 SNGs i played i got NOTHING!

there were 4,5 times i had to fold 20+hands in a row(that stu idiot saying its not how the cards r dealt it s how i play.how the fuck can u play hands like 72,J3,84,52,93,T4,62,3K,29,28,Q4 n so on?once i got A twice in the whole tourney,folded A3 because the position n AdQd all in got smashed by runner runner QT)and they just keep coming n coming n coming?wtf is the % for shit like that happenning?n happenning 4,5times in a row?why the fuck i always get knocked down when i am near the money?like 10th(3times),11th,13th?and 9times out of 10 were fucken bad beats?(especially pre flop all in)how can u play poker when getting dealt AK or AQ n thinking:shit i am fucked if i play?i never complain if i get outplayed or a simple bad beat in live games.its just that i have seen far too much more bad beats than the whole amount i've seen in my life!is this rigged?is it not rigged?

final table,1st hand got KK,i raise,1 caller,flop AKQ,i check,he bet,i raise,he call.turn an A,i go all in to see his A3 n laughing till A comes again on river!BS stars!(this is the worst bad beat i had so far,not as bad as the one amada mentioned tho)

whats the chance getting QQAAKK in a row?whats the chance of getting them n losing them 3 times in a row?a mate told me the chance of winning lotto is like getting hit by the lightenning in a rainning day 3 times a yr.(i wish those winners would survive afta 1 hit )its just that normally ppl dont go outside n walking on the street just to push those miracles to happen.we r poker players not drama chasers.

i believe that ppl complain here not for how much they lose,it is how they lose n how often they lose like that.i feel sry 4 myself cos i wil never b able to play online poker anymore afta reading these.or maybe someone can tell me a "fair site" which could b worth a try...i love poker n F U pokerstars!

[vukojebina]

I've just had three more funny little bad beats.

OK the first one I played really bad, but didn't lose much

had AJ, flop comes:
TJT I figured the guy doesn't have either so i bet.. turn comes 6, with 3h on the board, I figured he must be on some kind of draw to call me. The river 4h. And he has a flush with Ks Qh... OK, I should have bet more on the turn, I played it bad, so I'll focus and play better the next hands. I didn't lose much on that hand but it was a good setup for things to come.

The next hand against the same guy i got delt 66, the flop comes:

AQ6, he bets I raise him all-in. Turn comes A, river comes Q, He turns AQ. Great. Ok I got suckered once.. it won't happen for a few games. He had 4 outs.. so OK.

I reload and same table a few hands after that: I get delt 77, guy raises pre-flop I call and the flop comes:

755 giving me a full house. There are two diamonds on the board, and I want him to hit that flush if he has one, so I check and he bets, I call, turn comes 2 of diamons. Oh yeah, this guy is going down. I check he bets, I raise and he goes all-in . The river comes K and he flips over his KK with a higher full house.

So am I supposed to not slowplay when i hit a fullhouse on the turn? Am I supposed to protect a full house? He would have called me anyway, there was no way I wouldn't lose that hand.

Pokerstars make me sick.

There is only one way to win at stars: play passive, wait for nuts, go all-in at the river and hope someone has the 2nd best hand. There is no other way.

I go up in $ with solid play and I go down ALWAYS with a bad beat.

I don't consider my self a shark and I mostly play low limits, but I've managed to make my 10$ into 100$ in about a month on stars (with cashgames only). Now I'm stuck on 85 for about 4 months, tried sit&go's and I broke even, tried heads-up broke even, there is no way I can move up.