[Madster321]

Picture a typical Casino MTT structure, or a slightly quicker structure than a paradise MTT, or a slightly slower turbo.

120 players. FT pay, 28% to 1st. 60 left, avg is 10K. Blinds are 300/600 100ante. Going to 500/1000 200a, in about 15 hands (figure 20 per level).

You are short stacked on the BB.
An aggressive player in EP, makes a standard raise to 1500. Short stacked SB calls all-in for 1200.

You have T6o.

How short would you have to be to push all-in. Lets assume EP will never fold, and will always have either 2 overcards, or a PP. Range for SB is tighter than usual, but the only hands that you are currently ahead of would be some middle suited connector.


Now, lets also assume that the 2 players on your right, will be too tight if you open push from the button, but it is very unlikely that you will get that chance.

At what point would you take a 3-way all-in with bad cards over a HU all-in (which would be easy enough to come by this orbit). Assuming that once you get short enough, any time your chips go in, it will be CEV+ just b/c of the overlay. (yes THAT short)

[scooby555]

Originally Posted by Madster321

Picture a typical Casino MTT structure, or a slightly quicker structure than a paradise MTT, or a slightly slower turbo.

120 players. FT pay, 28% to 1st. 60 left, avg is 10K. Blinds are 300/600 100ante. Going to 500/1000 200a, in about 15 hands (figure 20 per level).

You are short stacked on the BB.
An aggressive player in EP, makes a standard raise to 1500. Short stacked SB calls all-in for 1200.

You have T6o.

How short would you have to be to push all-in. Lets assume EP will never fold, and will always have either 2 overcards, or a PP. Range for SB is tighter than usual, but the only hands that you are currently ahead of would be some middle suited connector.


Now, lets also assume that the 2 players on your right, will be too tight if you open push from the button, but it is very unlikely that you will get that chance.

At what point would you take a 3-way all-in with bad cards over a HU all-in (which would be easy enough to come by this orbit). Assuming that once you get short enough, any time your chips go in, it will be CEV+ just b/c of the overlay. (yes THAT short)

This is the most specific situation I have ever seen this had to of happpenned to you!!!!

[Acorn89]

I would have to tend towards laying this hand down with a pretty short stack. My reason would be is that when I go allin short stacked I at least want the chance that I can just pick up the blinds and antes. But of course if you are really short stacked to where if you were to lay this down and go allin next hand you would have so little that you have no chance of the blinds folding.

If you are intersted in problems like this, Madster321. I would defintly recommend reading the Harrington on Holdem books. There are alot of problems like this especially in volume 2. He has this short stack system which I strongly recommend you take a look at.

[nxtyear]

Originally Posted by Madster321

120 players. FT pay, 28% to 1st. 60 left, avg is 10K. Blinds are 300/600 100ante. Going to 500/1000 200a, in about 15 hands (figure 20 per level).

You are short stacked on the BB.
An aggressive player in EP, makes a standard raise to 1500. Short stacked SB calls all-in for 1200.

You have T6o.

How short would you have to be to push all-in. Lets assume EP will never fold, and will always have either 2 overcards, or a PP. Range for SB is tighter than usual, but the only hands that you are currently ahead of would be some middle suited connector.

You didnt state what your chipstack is, saying that you are short stacked is not really enough.

with 60 people left i'm assuming that there is 6 full tables, so there's 10 players at your table.
which means that the pot, before hands are dealt is 300+600+(100x10) = 1900.

considering the size of this pot, the raise by EP is not really a standard raise, it's a miniscule raise, effectively a min bet considering all the antes in the pot.
he raised it to 1500.
so the pot now has 1900 + 1500 = 3400.

SB puts in another 1200 and is all in.
now the pot is 4600

i'm not sure what your chip stack is but say u have 1200 chips left.
i would auto push at that situation.

seeing as u'll be putting 900 more to call the raise of the EP, and 300 more on top of that.

ur essentially pputting in 1200 to win a pot of 4900.
i'd take that any time.

but then again, u have to tell us what ur stack size is.

basically though, if u are short stacked. and there's a raiser and a caller to that raiser (ie the SB) then i'd go all in with any two cards if i'm getting the odds