[greendrag00n]

so those tech guys should be millionaires by now right.....becasue they can crack the system of online poker which is what a multi billion dollar business.

[hayden1009]

Originally Posted by hayden1009

I am involved as an investor in a Capital startup group with the internet and trust me when I tell you that its not that random....is it predictable, not really, but totally random ...no ...I always thought it was until I met some of the real software guru's and I am not talking about some customer support guy or some security tech geek at a company but the guys who actually write code from the ground up....they are the guys who know and they have told me more then once that the sites are honest and unpredictable to a point but it would be almost impossible to write totally random software. I am sticking by my guns on this one as these guys are way beyond any puter geeks I have ever met...they make me feel like plankton.

Yes they are millionaires ...now as to the 2nd part please show me in my post where I said they can crack the system of online betting ...I never mentioned security I said "is it predictable, not really, but totally random ...no"

[sensei24]

I notice on Titan a period time. There are periods when cards come and periods when not.
Also are periods when cards come in your hand but the table don't want to reward further and times when you win like 3 or 4 consecutive hands even with small cards.
I think that not the cards rewards the players with a bigger stack.
They are playing almost all playeble hands and it's known that on the table will not come just A and K. They win with many unusual hands which you will never play if you have a small stack and you are under them.

[Yearbookpoker]

Players on online poker are not that good guys. Most of them go all in and call with nothing all the way to the river. So that is why you see hands like 3-5 winning so much and bad hands catching on the river. When you get down to the final table you start seeing better play then because they have cashed and then start trying more. Some still play dumb because they don't know better. Also too if you are playing freerolls and see these beats and crazy hands that is because there are like 90% freerollers in them. For you guys that don't know who freerollers are, they are people who love to go all in for the first 10 minutes of a freeroll...if they get up then they try or they just get knocked out. I'm not saying all freerollers play like this, but most do so expect to keep seeing hands crazy hands in online poker. As for sensei saying the stuff about streaks of cards and stuff that happens. Thats like a gambler on a slot machine going through streaks.

[greendrag00n]

What you guys are talking about is poker.....going on streaks catchin hands multiple times in a row or not catchin a hand for a while and yes even predicting the next card that happens both online AND in live poker but none of these things make a big enough difference in the long run to be the reason for losing consistently. And if the random number generator is predictable...then why didnt you use it to beat me last night ooooooooo B-B-B-B-U-R-N! lol JK

THE DRAG0N

[Merkiwaters]

i don't think they' are rigged int he sense that people think - some people get dominating hands or someone always has a boat or quads or a straight flush etc. after scraping the surface a little the only concern was the amount of randomness that the cards have. like they have a bad mathematical algorithm that removes from the randominity (yes i made up a word) of players cards. and some people can possibly take advantage of that if they know what is going on. i think the same thing has occured in live casino's slot machines and etc. but between me and you, that roulette and blackjack under games in titan is RIGGED RIGGED RIGGED!!! =)

[956Vette]

It is only smart biz to have the software be a little corrupt. Tweak the software in regards to the players, bank accts, registration time, % combos, and other misc.

For example, favor the new player testing things out in the play money tables. Oh wow, i am winning...how bout i make a deposit and replicate this? this person gets burned. Visa versa, the average person deposits money and dominates the first 24hrs and gives him a taste...the next two weeks are going to full of bad beat for that fellow.

Tip of the iceburg here. I believe the software wise to more than just a 52 card deck

[hcow33]

Site arent rigged, they make to much money to rigged the sites.

[Lytspeed]

Originally Posted by 956Vette

For example, favor the new player testing things out in the play money tables. Oh wow, i am winning...how bout i make a deposit and replicate this? this person gets burned.

If I were running an online poker site, I don't think I would do this. It would be too easy for people to write software to monitor incoming packets and prove that I'm modifying the odds. Even if the companies are offshore, and not subject to U.S. law, the bad reputation this could create if it got out would ruin the business. It makes sense to truly make sure the cards are random.

Consider the odds; a site like PokerStars has served over 5 billion hands. According to odds, a Straight Flush should happen about once in every 80,000 hands. That means they should have served up about 62,500 Straight Flushes. If we assume those have all happened in the last 5 years (the amount of time that PokerStars.com has been active, roughly), that means there have been an average of 34 Straight Flush hands per day on that site in the last five years.

Okay, I'll admit that I'm dealing in averages, and that actual numbers are influenced by the increase in play over the last couple of years, as well as the number of players who would have had a Straight Flush if they had not folded at the outself. My point is that when you get to the number of hands like PokerStars.com processes *per second*, it becomes much more likely that players would see hands that seem out of the ordinary.

If anyone wants to refute this position, feel free. I enjoy intelligent debate.

[darthrayne]

There are some strange things that happen that would make me think that there could be a "flaw" or "bug" in the randomizing system. I'm sure you all have noticed that every time you get a pocket pair, at least 1 other person has a pocket pair. Just recently I was playing in a tourney and was dealt 77. Turns out that 3 other people had pocket pairs. TT, KK, 66.

Another instance is in a recent tournament, the first 50 hads I was dealt contained a 2, 31 times and was dealt 2/7 3 times in a row. The odds of being dealt an ace is the same as being dealt a 2 however has anyone been dealt at least 1 ace 31 out of 50 hands? Anyone want to find out what the odds are of being dealt at least one 31 times out of 50 hands on a 10 person table?
Anomoly, bug or conspiracy?

Who knows