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Old 07-27-06, 05:38 AM
IvanDrago IvanDrago is offline
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K i will readjust what i said. Not only would i be able to bust you easily wiht that style, but anyone who knew a bit of math as well. Your giving way to tmany odds for people to chase. But I do love your idea for the late game when blinds get huge because then i agree 100% you got them clueless beyond belief. But thats if you can keep getting that far. If you just keep on min betting and min raising your just asking for a bad beat to happen. If it keeps on working for you though good job keep it up. But in the future this should not work. I dont mean to be rude just thats what should happen unless you get lucky. Keep it up though if its working for you.

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Old 07-27-06, 08:26 AM
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O boy please move down in limits. For SnGs you need at least 30 buy-ins if 155 is all you have you should really considering moving down, if you have means to reload then go ahead and play above your roll. Let me be the first to tell you that going busto sucks. From what i've seen at the iPoker 11s attempting to convince your opponents anything is just a futile attempt. FWIW, if you play enough SnGs you will experience a 20 buy-in downswing if not more. Are you playing 6 max iPoker 11s or 10 max? Or are the 11s only 6 max at iPoker? i can't remember.

I figured 5 or 6 buy-ins would be good enough, but 30 actually sounds a lot more comfortable.

i play 6-person tables.

Thanks for the advice
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Old 08-22-06, 04:05 PM
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i think its a cool idea, but i disagree with the concept. I don't see how being Loose aggressive, then Tight aggressive is working, because youre contradicting what youre saying. If youre playing loose in the first part of the game but then keep the same betting patterns, then arent you still LOOSE aggressive? exactly! so it will not work and you will lose more chips most of the time unless you catch a lucky hand.
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Old 08-22-06, 07:06 PM
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ok, i won't be nice here.

i'm honestly tired of seeing these type of posts.

i know poker is all about style, so your "style" could as well just be as affective as any other style.
but seriously, if that's the way you are going to play, u have to know how to back up your thoughts with valid reasoning that's not flawed.

just saying it has worked in your past 10 sngs doesn't mean anything.
i could have beaten aces with 53o 10 times in a row and that still won't mean anything, Aces are still ahead.

likewise, you have to rethink why your style is working.

as for some flaws that i might point out.

1. you are probably playing lower limits which is flooded with loose-weak players.
ie Fishes.
characteristics of fishes being they are rather passive, don't bet but call more. hence there will be less aggression in the game. to counter that you should be the one playing tight/aggressive. but your so called "loose aggressive" (reason for quotation marks will follow later) isn't really aggression, you are just giving fishes the right odds to make the call, making their usual wrong play, the right play.

ok someone else also replied on this thread, who tried the strategy and said that the downside to the strategy is bad beats.....
uh... please do go back, search the forum for the thread about defining what "proper" bad beat is. i should have made one before under the screenname nxtyear. it's not bad beat when you are giving them odds to chase their draws.
of the pot is 60 and you bet 10 into the pot, them calling with their mid pair against your top pair is the right play, as they'd usually have 5 outs to beat your han. not to mention straight and flush draws make it an obviously right play to call.

2. "Loose Aggressive", loose aggressive is knowing how to play small pots properly. and applying their aggression image in big pots with big hands.
they would take stab at small pots, steal, or give up. but they would do the same with big pots with big hands, using their loose aggressive image to disguise the strenght of their hand.
now i know you are thinking that you are doing the same thing..
BUT, min betting into pots isn't going to build any big pot, sooner or later you WILL have to make a big bet if you want to build up the pot, and that just gives it away. other opponents will be able to know EXACTLY when you have a big hand cuz you are trying to build a big pot. of couse if you can continue bettng small and other's won't realize you have a big hand, but you didn't get any chips from the hand either. so there's no point.

3. playing tighter later on. Honestly, that's the worst thing i've heard. I know poker's all situational play and you have to know when to change gears and play tighter, and looser etc. but having a GENERAL strategy if playing tighter as the blinds get up is just utter sh*te.
someone mentioned it before but i'll say it again, if you don't catch any big hands, your stack isn't going to get any bigger now.

the blinds will get higher, in proportion to your stack, your M will get lower.
at this point you have to try and steal pots to stay above from the blinds cutting you down. waiting for a big hand is the WORST thing to do, and your just going to end up very short stack by the time you DO get a big hand, and even if you double up your stack will still be short and the circle goes on.
constant aggression and loosening up your play is the only way you'll be able to maintain your chip stack by making abit of steals etc, so that when you DO pick up a good hand, you will double up even bigger, + you've been stealing a few so your strong hand's strength WILL be disguised.

i don't care if your so called strategy works so well in the short run.
if your gonna be aggressive, learn how to be aggressive properly
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Old 08-22-06, 08:25 PM
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I think your strategy is quite redictulous to tell you the truth... I would be broke...
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Old 08-22-06, 08:51 PM
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I think your strategy is quite redictulous to tell you the truth... I would be broke...

to be more straight forward, i think that's what i meant as well..
thanks for making it direct and clear ILLINI1A
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Old 07-27-07, 03:44 PM
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I have bin playing SnGs successfully in 5 years also cashgames. I started of just like u and played low limit tables. I have played limit, potlimit and NL. My bankroll is way over yours nothing i like to brag about but im telling this so u understand that a professional guy is going to teach u a lesson. My banroll is about 1,7million dollars and i have earned a lot more during the years.

Whats good is that even when u dont know what u are talking about u still post in the forums and ask questions and take tips.

Whats bad is that your strategy doesn´t work in SnGs specially in the long run. Your strategy is one of the most successfull cashgame strategy for lowlimit 0,10/0,20 NLTH this is where u get to earn some money whit that strategy. We have a name for that strategy in my country sweden. The name is arabpoker and it works fine untill u try it on higher limits. The reason that u have found it successfull is because its profitable in some games so i understand your experience. But soon u will get to se that it aint as good as the old dirty strategy to play Tight aggressive and try to get in the money.

One swedish pro ones said u can teach a monkey to play SnG and I cant say that any bether myself.

Good luck at the table and please try the strategy at the lowlimit cashgames. Always no this when u play sng u need 100 buyins and not 30. For 30 u need to be really good.

And sorry for my swenglish!
/Mikael Svensson
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Old 07-29-07, 07:23 AM
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Old 08-16-07, 08:10 PM
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a bold strategy, a bold strategy
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Old 10-21-07, 02:37 PM
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Could you detail the mathematical expectation of your style and how projection of a loose aggressive image will with time improve your implied odds in relation to the increasing blinds, also please explain the variance of your betting.

Do you enter every pot and bet the minimum all the way to the river?

At the end of each hand do you show your hole cards in order to keep this image?

When you are re-raised do you automatically fold or continue betting in this fashion on the next round?

How do you avoid players who have picked up on this strategy & know you will continue betting early and just put in a big bet on the river to force you out of a pot? Adding to that what about someone with a legitimate hand who is attempting to trap you?

Do you have basic starting hand requirements or play anything down to 7 2 just to project this loose aggressive image?

How often do you predict that your opponents will fold in the face of continual minimum bets?

Say for example you join a sit n go and the starting stack is 1500.00 and everyone bets only the minimum each time (10.00). Playing junk you loose the first 8 hands but still be to the river. 40.00 per round @ 8 rounds is 320, now your stack is down to 1180.00 and the blinds increase to 20.00 and you do the same thing for 6 more rounds 80.00 per round your stack will now be 700.00 will the few times that you get people to fold with style make up for the loss of 55% of your stack in just 14 hands?

I'm not a poker genius but I know if I loose 55% of my stack in just the first 2 rounds blinds I won't make it to the money round of a sit n go... Please only reply if you are going to be constructive about it. I'm not interested in a pissing contest just the nuts & bolt theory of your strategy and how it could be played mathematically to a profitable end.
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