[stackedkg9]

i think it depends on your position and how many players are already in the hand. If you are in good position and everyone folds before you then i think four times the blind is too much, but if its early position four times the blind is usually ok.

[Jagrbst]

I just want to note that there are almost no case where it's wrong to play aggresive. But. Lets say you were in an early position, then just limp in with aces. Trust me, you'll get raised. Most people wants to be the one aggresive.

That's one of the reasons they bet, they want respect. They try to get respect early so they can play small pot poker and pick up pots.

When you limp in in an early position and you get raised, you simply put all your money in the middle.

Now two things can happen:
You pick up a pretty nice pot AND, most of all, you get respect. The other case is that he simply is a sucker who calls you with 10-10, J-J or something like that, and then you double up early and will be in a good position to win the tournament.

See, you really don't care if he calls or not. I acctually prefer him to fold.
You'll pick up pots worth way more than your simple double up. The problem is thought that when you get down to heads-up you'll have problems being the aggressor since your opponent will know your style well.
Then just simply change your style and play passive. Really passive. Check-raise whenever possible, even if you don't have a hand. If he plays back on you, you should consider moving-in even if all you got is a draw to a straight or a flush.
Pott odds really don't matter if you can get respect. (Note that if you get in an early check-raise on your opponent you can pick up pots like crazy when your down to heads-up, and he will be afraid to bet you when you check).

[wptdreamer]

I was surprised reading through all these posts to see how many people changed their game for pocket aces. I bet the same if I am bluffing, holding monsters, or holding the nuts. I don't change it and if I do it's only because we are short handed and I see an advantage to doing so, or heads up, which is a different game altogether. I don't see why you would raise 2-3xb with ak, qq, jj, whatever, but then bet 4-6x with aa. Like I said, I only change it up if we are getting short handed because usually by then the blinds are getting up there where a few steals by overbetting are worth it. But I may have 89s or kk and my opponents won't know. I may have 7-2 and they won't know. I play it the same. That is the key. If you come out swinging then be prepared to keep swinging until it's over or your bluff will get busted, keep betting and you still hold that chance of winning even if they hold a good hand but not quite the nuts. I want to build that tight/aggressive image because it keeps the blinds rolling in throughout the tourney. But, if I were to give any advice besides play them the same, when it gets short handed push all in to steal the blind, heads up slow play them.

[Jagrbst]

You've got a point there, but I don't think acting the same way will do any good. You can't bet 3x bb everytime you want them to fold/call. That simply doesn't work

There are some funny things you can do, (I'm not stupid, I know this isn't really related but...) which I acctually tested myself on full tilt yesterday. I raised 3x bb five hands in a row... Then I sat and waited for hands, and then the aces showed up. I bet 3x bb and everybody calls. Yepp everybody at $4/8 stakes the pot was already up to $168.

I flopped a set together with another guy and broke him (I was really happy since we had almost the same amount of chips, about 1/3 of the money on the table together). All seven players stayed to the flop, can you believe that?

[Dursmst]

Cool. I'll try that today. DOes it work on higher limits?

[TheShark]

4xbb is a standard raise which you could do with any hand and therefore it's best to stay with that raise even when you've got the rockets. That all the other players fold is just bad luck so I think you should stick with the raise. You do of course have to consider the situation if there are 7 players who've called in front of you the bet should be considerably larger or if the blinds are high.

[wptdreamer]

Originally Posted by Jagrbst

You've got a point there, but I don't think acting the same way will do any good. You can't bet 3x bb everytime you want them to fold/call. That simply doesn't work...I flopped a set together with another guy and broke him

You said it wouldn't work, but then you proved my point. If you had moved all in you may not have broke anyone or had any callers. By acting the same you disguised your hand and made it pay off in the biggest way you could have.

[Rdias]

AA i´m go limp and when other player raise, i´m re-raise or all-in.

[Jagrbst]

Okay wpt, I misread you.
Well you got my point I guess.

[Inimicron]

I think you are right Jagrbst. By the way, are you Carl Aldn who won the Cosmopol championchip and got to the Ept copenhagen final table?