[elon05]

A $10-$20 game. This hand was posted on an Internet forum and it generated a big thread and lengthy debate. You are in middle position with the . Two early players limp in. You limp in. The player behind you limps and the next player raises. Everyone folds to the first limper, who calls, as well as everyone afterwards. There is $115 in the pot and five players. The flop is: , leaving you with overcards and a backdoor flush-draw. Everyone checks. The turn is the . Everyone checks. The river is the , giving you a pair of tens. Both early limpers check. What do you do?

[Acorn89]

This would be a very close decsion but I would lean towards checking/calling. You could probaly catch someone betting with a weaker hand like a small Pocket pair or the Preflop raiser might bet with a strong Ace. The reason I dont like betting is because most of the time you will only get called by hands that have you beat. You might get called by a pocket pair but most of the time I think that you would get raised by a better hand and then have to call anyway because of the odds, so you are losing 2 bets when raised and only gaining 1 when called. So by checking it down you would gain the pot when you have the best hand and you only have to win about 1 in 7 times when you call.

[Lytspeed]

This is not a pretty hand. It only has 6 outs after the flop, and hitting the 10 on the river for the pair is a good hand, but not a great one. With everyone checking on the flop and turn, I would make a medium bet here (maybe 2x or 3x BB) and see if other people fold. If they raise, indicating a hidden Q or pocket pair for trips, I can fold and I won't have lost much money. If they call, I have a chance of winning, and if I don't, I still haven't lost much money. If they don't have anything, 3X BB may intimidate all of them enough to fold, and I've bought a pot.

[Acorn89]

Originally Posted by Lytspeed

I would make a medium bet here (maybe 2x or 3x BB)

Im pretty sure this is limit holdem

[elon05]

well just say it is no limit.

[Lytspeed]

Originally Posted by Acorn89

Im pretty sure this is limit holdem

Point well made, and taken. I guess I'm just in a no-limit frame of mind tonight. Sorry.

[sensei24]

Originally Posted by elon05

A $10-$20 game. This hand was posted on an Internet forum and it generated a big thread and lengthy debate. You are in middle position with the . Two early players limp in. You limp in. The player behind you limps and the next player raises. Everyone folds to the first limper, who calls, as well as everyone afterwards. There is $115 in the pot and five players. The flop is: , leaving you with overcards and a backdoor flush-draw. Everyone checks. The turn is the . Everyone checks. The river is the , giving you a pair of tens. Both early limpers check. What do you do?

Tough call.
i probably would make a small raise. The pot is big and i don't need to share it with anyone or find myself beaten by 32.

[elon05]

I'm not gonna give my nswer yet, but sensei if one of your opponents has 3 2 I'mpretty sure they would call your bet in this situation and you would lose.

[elon05]

here is what i would do

Check. This situation comes up often and is highly instructive. This is a classic case of a worse hand not calling, but better hand always calling. After the turn, it seems nobody had anything, not even top or medium pair. But you do have four opponents taking the flop and getting free boardcards. If a ten helped anyone else, it probably helped them more than you. It could easily give someone a straight, two pair, or even a pair with a better kicker than yours. If it did not help anyone, no one rates to call if you bet. Adding to your woes is the possibility of getting raised by one of the two opponents yet to act. On the Internet, some posters argued that you will get calls from ace-high type hands. But if you are one of the players yet to act, would you call a bet with no pair and players behind you? Probably not. Furthermore, your check might induce a bluff bet from one of the two players behind you, which you can call. Checking is the superior play even though you may have the best hand.

[iceberg]

It depends on the type of table. If it is on Paradise, then they usually play very tight and I would check. If this is on Party Poker, I would bet because there are plenty of Calling Stations with 2nd pair willing to pay to see your top pair.