[HughHefner]

agreed that that could be annoying...but if you've seen someone go all in 4x in a row...you can pretty much call with queen 8 and be the favorite! i think we see eye to eye on this one slayer....

true, its frustraiting to lose to bad calls and bad all ins and such.....but that doesnt mean you want you opponent to make better moves! i would prefer they simply continued to make crappy moves %100 of the time. someone mentioned earlier an opponent who goes all in preflop jack high! well, if you dont want to play him send him my way!

i hear 'good' players all the time saying they hate to play beginners, because you never know what the beginner is doing because he doesnt know how to play....uhhh...ookk.... let me tell you this...beginners are the easiest players to beat, hands down. if you are at a table with a crappy player you should be lovin it! if you aren't...you may want to re-evaluate your play.

[Slayre]

Playing beginneers short term sucks, for the reason you mentioned... in the long run tho, they will pay you....

That is why the low buy in SNG's are difficult sometimes.. alot of beginners are there, and they do tend to get lucky... but, SNG's are short term... you don't play the same people everytime.. so, unless your very patient and very disciplined, and get your fair share of the luck, you could end up broke, even if your the best player around... ( online ).

I try to wait for three people to bust out of an SNG before I start paying attention to position and such... not to mean I won't play premium hands before that.. but, usually once 3 people are gone, things have settled to a more respectable game...

A 6

[katymaty]

most af the time the all ins havent got the best hand they just want to take the hand down there and then they usually have a draw or possibly top pair with a small kicker at best

[BadAndy]

There is no problem with the all in option, it is the only reason some people play the game, just for the thrill of going all in!

[mildseven]

I think that this players make poker less interesting and totally unprofessional but sometimes it does help because, in my case, if I have a good hand I would defenetly call a player that is just going all in, and I think most of the times would have more odds on beating his hand.

Anyway I have lost many times against this lottery players and i really hate when that happens, and as I said before, it makes the game totally unprofessional and even annoying.

Good Luck,
mildseven
Regnum Christi

[Arjonius]

Originally Posted by W13rd0W

if the tournament starting chips would be at least 3000-5000 there wouldn't be all ins preflop

The play at events like the WSOP main event only mildly supports this assumption. With 10K chips to start and tiny blinds, there are still lots of players who bust out early. Might not seem like this happens as quickly as in a large online freeroll tourney, but the time scales are different. To make a better comparison, you have to adjust for things like live play being a fair bit slower and the WSOP main event being five days long rather than a few hours.

[baraaka]

I agree with hugh patience is everything in the game of poker.
If you are just patient play your game at your pace then you could them at the right time.
Remember that while you are patiently waiting for your hand the people going all-in are taking them self out.
Their for less people you need to worry about

[pookyman]

Always seems to be a few in any tounament. Learn this rhyme:
"I don't mind if you steal my blind."

Just wait sooner or later you will get them.

[GrimJack]

As someone said earlier, you really only see seasoned players going All-In when they are short stacked. I absolutely agree with that comment. The more I play, when I see someone go All-In with a decent stack relative to the average table stack size, I see this as a tell. If I am holding top pair with a decent kicker, I figure I am in good shape and call.

The seasoned player, once they get good cards is more concerned with getting the most moeny in the pot, they won't take a chance of going 'All-In' for fear that they will scare you out of the hand...that's why I am more concerned with the smooth call.

I mean if you have a Full House, why would you go All-In against someone when a 3 or 4 to a flush is on the board? Why not let your opponent go All-In and sweep up the chips...

[beriac]

I think we can agree that the "all in" craze is the product of the televised poker programs, which (rightly, ratings-wise) promote it as a reason that No Limit is one of the most exciting games around, and so it follows that newer players find its use alluring.

But someone made the correct point that the pros tend to use it as a trick of the trade primarily when they are short-stacked, and it can be a sign of either inexperience or desperation when employed by someone of middle or greater stacks.

BUT, this is a good thing! Every time someone goes all in on you, they are giving YOU the choice to either accept their offer of a showdown, or fold and live to fight another hand. You have the option value. If you have the nuts, you're golden. If you were semi-bluffing or questioning the value of your hand, it's an easy way out. Only if you're in the middle (top pair, lower two pair, etc) do you really have a problem!

So take advantage and enjoy!