[xmanpike]

I'm wondering how various players on this forum play post flop when you've got a decent hand such as top pair/top kicker and the flop comes 2 to a suit. I typically raise about 75% of the pot to make them pay for chasing their flush....that being said, many players will still chase a flush for that price. My dilemma comes with what to do when I have a strong hand, I raise on the flop, get called, and the flush draw is completed on the TURN.

If I'm playing against somebody tight who I don't think would have chased a flush, then I suppose I don't alter my play whatsoever. If I thought I had the best hand before, I still do now and bet accordingly.

But if I'm playing against somebody loose who chases hands, do I:

1. Check if it's on me first? This seems like hanging a big sign around my neck saying "Pot for sale". Checking seems like showing obvious fear of a possible flush. I could check, then reraise him if he bets to "find out where I am" and maybe fold out a bluff....but if he's determined to bluff hard and comes right back over the top of me with another raise what then?

2. Come out betting? If the guy has made his flush draw and he just calls, do I shut down on the river? I guess my concern here is this....I DON'T want to reward people for chasing their flush and hitting it. They are only going to hit it about one out of 4 times on the turn, yet if I keep betting large after it hits on the turn and river I may build the pot up just enough that it actually ends up justifying their chasing the flush in the first place.


I don't care about flush draws hitting on the river so much, it's when they hit on the turn and I have 2 more rounds of betting ahead of me that I worry about playing poorly/incorrectly.

How much do people bet on the flop to discourage flush draws, and how much does your betting style change after a flush draw is made on the turn? Do you shut down/bet less if the flush draw is made on the turn? Or do you just bet your hand once again (assuming the turn card is otherwise of no consequence other than it's suit)?

Basically it sso tough to determine what someone has when that card hits.

I'm a third of the way there!! Going to make it inot this tourney if I get carpal tunnel!

xmanpike

[Slayre]

You can't prevent people from making the incorrect decision.

In the long wrong, the correct play on your part, will pay you off..

If your talking SNG only play... check/fold

[katymaty]

if u feel u have the best hand on the flop and there is a flush draw out there bet accordingly.

eg if there is 1000 in the pot bet around 2000 so if they call there will be 5000 in the pot they will be about 20% to get it on the next card and 36% to get it on the either turn or river.

[W4ll4by]

If there is a flush draw on the flopp and you are in late position playing at a low limit table then you should check because most people in low limit games call alot. But if there isnt the suit you didnt want on the turn then you should go ahead and make a pot size bet. Most people will fold if they dont make their draw on the turn and gets a big bet against them. However at a high stake table you must make a pot size bet cause the players there are better and they are risking to loose more money so they will probably fold. plus they are tighter cause you dont want to put in around 5bucks just cause you have a hand with the same suit so there is a smaller posibility that they do have a draw. at low limit tables they call with suited rags and everything. thats why i dont like playing there.

[BadAndy]

I prefer to play flush draws aggressively. That way you're aggression can only lead to almost guaranteed victory or failure that was worth a shot! Plus, you might even scare them out if you raise large on a flush draw. I also dont like playing low suited cards like 85,69.... i know str8s pop up every once in a while, but they are almost useless when you catch a flush... someone always seems to have a higher one in that hand.... i begin to think the hands are fixed so that one player is defenseless and thinks he has the hand won for sure, when really, another player has him beat badly.

[bigjenny]

most people goes for the flushdraw at least to the fourth card if its not very high stakes. its hard to say what to do, the onlything you can do is to raise before the flop and if there is a flush draw you have to either bet the same amount as befor or just call the blind. and if they are still whit you at the river andthey get their flush its not much you can do. but if you really dont know how to play it just bet or check all the way but less money in the pot and more people that calls therefor bigger chanse to lose.

[darock]

What would you do after the flop in that situation if you were the one with the flush draw? Wouldn't you call anyways to see the flush? How many people here would go all-in on a flush draw off the flop? In a tournament, I think I would, generally I tend to hit the flush draws. Wouldn't you at least call up ot the pot amount seeing as it wouldn't be too large only after the flop? If you are playing at a table though, it's hard to say, they could bet your entire roll and I wouldn't put it all on the line with a flush draw. What's the percentage that you will hit the flush, maybe 37% or something like that? Oh, and this is why I never play limit, you can chase with running straights and running flushes and downright nothing because you can just wait for the people to bet and just call and see the next card. It's like they are imprisoned to only betting an easy amount to call. No Limit and pot limit for me thank you very much!!

[bigjenny]

I would probebly never call all in off the flop whit a flush draw. I can call but not go all in . if I were to start betting I could mayby raise some but I never go all in . it all so depense on what cards came on the folp and how high my flush is, but I still think that you should only raise.

[darock]

The problem is that if you call on the flop they are putting you on the flush draw right awaym if you miss it on the turn, more likely than not they will put a ton of chips into the pot and you're going to have to fold with only a 25 percent or less chance to hit it on the river. This is the problem with flush draws and why many people lose on flush draws. If you don't hit it on the turn you lose all those chips you put in on the flop so basically you're only going to get one shot at it unless you are willing to put in all your chips.

[HughHefner]

maybe im confused? it seems no one is really answering your question....still....im not going to either, because a lot of the ways you said to play that flop could work...there really isnt one way to go.


**personally, id make a medium sized bet and then see what they do and read their hand from there.