[dRaSTIC]

Ok, most of my problems appear when I get K K and I see an A in the flop or turn...even river.
How do you proceed then? Bet/call...raise...allin?!
I just hate this hand when an A is down and no K.
Cheers

[Texas72]

Don't automatically assume you're beat once an Ace flops. If you raised enough, the only other people in the hand with you should be those holding Aces or other pockets themselves, along with AKs. However, you'll get a lot of people to call you with hands like QJs. Most people will dump their baby aces.

I'd still bet out if an Ace hits - think about what your opponent might be thinking. You raised pre-flop, now you're betting like the Ace isn't scary at all - do you have a set? If you get called, I'd slow down a little. You may very well be beat. If it's bet to you, raise - see if your opponent really does have an Ace, and if so, how comfortable are they with it?

When the Ace hits on the river, I might check just to be on the safe side. If it's bet to me though, I'd probably call, depending on the amount of money in the pot and the size of the bet.

[Slayre]

You have JJ, and a Q shows on the board.. what do you do?

You have 77, and there is an 8 high board.. what do you do?

If you slow played the KK preflop, and an Ace hits on the flop.. you need to be cautious....you prolly have alot of folks in there..

If you came out with a big bet preflop, and an Ace hits on the flop.. you need to find out if the remaining players have an Ace, before the turn, so you pretty much have to make a convincing bet...

Don't be afraid to muck them, if you think you are beat......

[darock]

KK could easily still be the strongest hand on the board, I think most of the people that call a big preflop raise would probably have middle pockets because if they had AA or AK, they probably would have re-raised you and most other people would fold the rest of their ace hands. The only thing that could beat you is maybe if someone flopped a straight, but you can tell if they keep betting hard and re-raising you like mad, but I think it would be best to set the tone of the hand by being the raiser/re-raiser and not the caller if everyone else is raising. You can't afford to look scared with pocker kings.

[bigjenny]

it doesent mather wich pair you have there can always be an higher one ecsept for aces. so just bet all the way, if you have your pair at the flop you raise a bit at the fourth card and if the ace comes at the river and you re not that secure you just call then you wont lose that much money as if you raised after the rivercard. it allso depense on how the others play. thats the beuty of the game, you have to take some chanses

[Arjonius]

Assuming you raised properly pre-flop, you should probably make the same bet post-flop that you would if the flop had not included an A. You know you're behind to anyone holding another A, but there's no guarantee anyone actually has one. And even if they do, they might think you have one as well, with a better kicker.

On the other hand, if you check or make a weak bet, they're more likely to be encouraged than discouraged that their pair of aces is leading. Or they might even bet out with a lower pocket pair than you have. And then what are you going to do? Call with a hand that wasn't worth betting?

[dRaSTIC]

Originally Posted by Slayre

You have JJ, and a Q shows on the board.. what do you do?

You have 77, and there is an 8 high board.. what do you do?

If you slow played the KK preflop, and an Ace hits on the flop.. you need to be cautious....you prolly have alot of folks in there..

If you came out with a big bet preflop, and an Ace hits on the flop.. you need to find out if the remaining players have an Ace, before the turn, so you pretty much have to make a convincing bet...

Don't be afraid to muck them, if you think you are beat......

Mate..u see..it's not the same.
K K is the best pair after A A. so u can hold J J and when a Q or K or A appears u're doomed. You can't compare J J or 7 7 or any other pair with K K.
Cheers!

[Slayre]

yeah, but, my example already shows what is on the board....


there are no more cards to come...so, you see, it is the same.

[pookyman]

If the ace flops beware. I bet out with enough chips to feel out my opponent then make my decision by what he does. If no ace flops and the board is not stacked against me I go all in.

[UofTNick]

While that Ace does scare me, I still come out betting, because your opponent is probably putting you on something like AK, which will most likely outkick them (unless of course they have two pair). However, if they come over the top of me, i'm not feeling good about my kings anymore. A big enough raise, and you have to lay them down (as tough as that is). A smooth call can be scary too. I'd bet again on the turn and see what they do. Another call and you are most likely beat. Slow it down on the river then (unless of course you make your set)