[Catcherblck]

LAYDOWNS suck.... I was in a ring game $3/$6 No limt game I get wired I am quickly to raise to $50 I get two callers and flop comes I bet $25 and get re-raised $100 other guy folds and comes to me.. well if this guy had a Q would he be stupid enough to bet it... hmmmm probably! so I fold and show my wired A's and he show's me OH MY GOOD GOD!!!

[Slayre]

Do you mean biggest lay down where you would have won?

or

Biggest laydown where you made the correct decision?

How about this one, and I know this will prolly generate some debate:

I was playing a SNG on UB, $20 entry, 10 players.. first hand...

I am in the BB with AA, 4 people go all in before me...

I almost called, but decided that being tied for second is bettre than going out to a suck out on the first hand, and I layed it down....

I would have won with A's over 10's. 2 people split the pot, 2 people went out..

Did I make a mistake? I ended up taking second in the tourney.. neither of the two that chopped that first pot finished in the money...

To me, it was/is a woulda,coulda,shoulda situation... I think you have to be comfortable with the decisions you make, otherwise, the 'haunting effect' could affect each decision from then on, not allowing you to play your top game... at the time, for me, it was correct to lay down AA.. thats my story and I am sticking to it.

So, I said, durn it, or sumtin to that effect, and put it out of my mind... I was actually last in chips tho, since I had to put the BB in... but, only by 10..

[Catcherblck]

WOW that was some Laydown, not sure if I could of folded it I always dread goino' out first in a tournament lol it's happen 2wice !!

[darock]

Wow, and I was just asking in the other thread if anyone had the guts to fold pocket aces no matter what the situation was. The first situation you mentioned, well it would take some thought and could be laid down but I would never lay it down in the big blind preflop. Maybe that's just me and that's why I get screwed with pocket aces quite a few times.

[BBP Guru]

I remember this exact same question was asked to Phil Ivey during the WSOP 2005 event. He was asked if his first hand was AA during the 2005 WSOP Main Event, would he go all-in or fold if he had 4 callers before him.

Guess what he answered!!! He said he would make that CALL.

I guess he was right in the sense that the field had over 5k players and in order to get far, he had to do very well from the beginning. Also remember the blinds escalate very quickly in WSOP Events.

In Slayre's case, i think he made the right decision. With only 10 players, you don't want to risk your tournament life when you can sit back and let others fight among themselves. I'm not sure what the probability would be of you winning that hand but folding is definately a safe option. Sometimes when making such laydowns i think to myself that i never got AA to begin with. Helps cool my frustration down if i figure i would've won every bit of that pot.

[BadAndy]

No matter what, when someone goes all in, and you have AA... CALL

JUST FOR DIGNITY MY GOD YOU CANT BE THAT CONSERVATIVE!! YOU WONT EVER WIN

[darock]

I agree with badandy in the sense that you just can't lay down pocket aces. Preflop anyways you can;t. I'm glad Ivery said that he would make that call which means I must be doing something right if I make the same move as one of the greatest poker players out there.

[Slayre]

I was not being conserative... at least, not in my mind..

I was thinking there are 4 people that need to improve to beat me... or perhaps 3, if another has AA, and in which case, I would be have lost 2 outs to improve..

Going up agaisnt 4 people with just a pair, is not appealing to me...

I don't think that just because Phil Ivey would go in, makes it the correct move...

I personally think it is silly to risk your tournament life on a pair, agaisnt 4 or 5 other hands...

Mucking may not be the correct move eithre, but it was the move i was most comfortable with...
my dignigty is intact, heh.

[Texas72]

The only time I can see folding Aces pre-flop is when the situation is like Slayre's - you're so close to the money and have no reason to take a chance like that. Remember, Aces do not do well in multi-way pots. Many pros would (and do) also advise folding in a situation like that.

Any other time though....you have the best hand at that point, and the goal is to always get your money in when you have the best of it....

[royalflush525]

Man I dont think that i could of folded them aces, but than agin thats one of my problems i need to so learn to fold on good pairs, theres just something about good pockets that makes me feel that I'm going to win. lol you know that the good players i've played with fold on all kinds of things good and bad, its good when u realize that u could lose with pocket aces some of these guys get all bent out of shape when they lose with any high pr. LOVE, LIVE, LAUGH AND PLAY POKER