[ScottMc]

You are on the Bubble with AA on a 3 way pot. You are on the button. The flop comes down KQ10 all hearts you have the Ace of hearts giving you 9 outs for the Nut flush and 1 of those being for a Royal flush. Under the gun moves all in covering you and the second player calls. You have a great read on the table and believe that you are behind but with your draw you...

What do you do and why?


This happened to me 2 weeks ago on Noble. I made the lay down and was happy tp find I was up against a straight and a set both. The river would have made my flush and would have doubled me up but would not have been the winning hand unless I hit a draw. It knocked out a stack bigger than mine and put me in the money.

How would you handle it?

[Arjonius]

I think it depends on situational factors. For instance, how much was the lowest prize amount? What was the relative size of your stack? What position would you be in and how much of a stack would you have left if you folded? How many places was the tourney paying? How good are you relative to the other remaining players? Was it important to you place anywhere because, for example, you hadn not done so in a long time and wanted to break your losing streak?

Such considerations and others come into play, making the decision both situational and personal. Without full information, I can't really say what I would have done, and there's always the possibility I wouldn't actually do what I think I would if placed in the actual situation.

[nxtyear]

For one thing, someone pushing all-in would usully have a AK there.

but since you said you are behind through a great read...

i would still say you call it.

you have more than 9 outs actually

you have 9 flush outs, and 3 more Jacks to give you the nut straight (beating anyone who is holding J-9) ok so if your opponent had one jack that leaves 2 more jacks
so you have 11 outs. which is like 40 percent chance of hitting your outs.
i say call it
seeing as there's two players, it's worth the odds and you may have the best hand with top pair.
i'm sure others think different though...

[Texas72]

It's tough, because on the one hand, I want to make the money and figure with all that action going on, someone has a good hand, and I can sit back and let them take each other out, and then make the money. On the other hand, you should always go in with the idea to WIN, and a chance at a double-up is pretty nice. But, you do want to show SOMETHING for your hours of work, so....I'd probably call, cause they're Aces dammit!, but then regret it later. Not sure what the EV is of hitting the flush (overall, not just situational). If it's positive then I guess calling isn't that bad a move.

[Phoenix29]

Great question.

For those who want to win the tournament:
Seeing that you mostly likely raised with maybe about half your chip stack if you were on the bubble for the money and that flop came out, you have to call even tho 2 people in front of you called.
I mean, im surprised you didnt go All In pre-flop with that hand and your chip stack.
Besides, you do have plenty of outs no matter how good your read was on the other 2 players, plus if you win, this moves you closer and a better shot at the bigger prized money.
If you registered to win, you have to play to win and risk it all.


For those who just want to make the money:
If you're worried that you wont make the money and wasted a bunch of hours for nothing and have read them perfectly, then fold by all means.
But look at it this way, as stated above, you mostly likely wasted half of your chip stack on that hand.
Now you're really in trouble because if you didnt make the money after that hand, your chip stack has no leverage, which means if you decide to go All In on another good hand, anyone with a sizeable chip stack will call you with any crappy hand and knock you out of the tourney if they get lucky.
Folding might make you the money, but thats only like getting your money back.

But thats just me.

[HughHefner]

folding makes you less of a man.

Just kidding. Seriously though, I'd call that every time. So many outs, including the royal flush, how could you resist! I would cross my fingers and pray I hit to tripple up my stack and go for first! Anyway, good job placing in the tourny, I'm sure a lot of tighter players may respect that fold.

[UofTNick]

I think that if it was early in the tournament, i would call that without hesitation - but on the bubble I would definitely have to think about it.

As much as I would have wanted to make the call, I think I would have layed it down as well (or at least that's what I'm telling myself now )

It sucks that you would have had the best hand - but you were behind when you had to put your chips in, so it definitely wasn't a bad lay down.

Tough decision on that one though

[AGreen]

Originally Posted by Phoenix29

Great question.

For those who want to win the tournament:
Seeing that you mostly likely raised with maybe about half your chip stack if you were on the bubble for the money and that flop came out, you have to call even tho 2 people in front of you called.
I mean, im surprised you didnt go All In pre-flop with that hand and your chip stack.
Besides, you do have plenty of outs no matter how good your read was on the other 2 players, plus if you win, this moves you closer and a better shot at the bigger prized money.
If you registered to win, you have to play to win and risk it all.


For those who just want to make the money:
If you're worried that you wont make the money and wasted a bunch of hours for nothing and have read them perfectly, then fold by all means.
But look at it this way, as stated above, you mostly likely wasted half of your chip stack on that hand.
Now you're really in trouble because if you didnt make the money after that hand, your chip stack has no leverage, which means if you decide to go All In on another good hand, anyone with a sizeable chip stack will call you with any crappy hand and knock you out of the tourney if they get lucky.
Folding might make you the money, but thats only like getting your money back.

But thats just me.

This basically sums it up. Also, if you're buying into a tournament that's a good amount of your bankroll your decision would be to lay it down almost without hesitation. If you're playing a low buyin (relative to your bankroll) tourny, you might as well call it. If you lose, its a small hit to your bankroll

[BSgutshot]

Originally Posted by ScottMc

You are on the Bubble with AA on a 3 way pot. You are on the button. The flop comes down KQ10 all hearts you have the Ace of hearts giving you 9 outs for the Nut flush and 1 of those being for a Royal flush. Under the gun moves all in covering you and the second player calls. You have a great read on the table and believe that you are behind but with your draw you...

What do you do and why?


This happened to me 2 weeks ago on Noble. I made the lay down and was happy tp find I was up against a straight and a set both. The river would have made my flush and would have doubled me up but would not have been the winning hand unless I hit a draw. It knocked out a stack bigger than mine and put me in the money.

How would you handle it?

That was a great lay down IMO. I would have done the same thing. It's always good to play rather conservatively while on the bubble, especially if your chip stack is in the middle-range of the tournament. I would only move in if I had the sure thing or if I knew I had the best hand. I would have to be absolutely sure.

Most people would agree that it's better to sit on the bubble and cash than rolling the bones in that type of situation. I happen to agree with most people in this situation.

[iceberg]

I missed the money on a few tournaments cause I went allin with premium hands. Once with KK, but the other guy turned over AA and out I go. And another with AA and the other guy had KQs and caught a Boat. Frustrating after playing for a couple of hours, then nothing. You made a good fold. Something I'm still learning. Iceberg.