[doflovespoker]

I admit, I came to this site for the freeroll but if I don't ever qualify for the freeroll I have found this site to be very educational. While playing in the freerolls helps me become a better player, I have won.

[GamblinGal]

Hi...nxtyear and Guru, I have some thoughts on all of this and I just wanted to get it off my mind. I totally understand your qualifications for being allowed to join your freerolls but.......It seems to me and I might be totally wrong here but I get the feeling you have to make a certain amount of post every day or that is that. I know one or two post a day is not many but sometimes real life makes it hard to get that involved everyday. Here lately I am lucky to have a good constructive thought once a week due to some real life problems, not to say it will always be that way but I feel I might be left on the bench so to speak (until my real life becomes not so hectic) if I am not a daily poster, could you give me your feelings on this? Thanks GG

[6PackBear]

I am a bad bear...just like little Bart Simpson.
I wrote it on the blackboard 100 times:

Do not PM for the password !

I will make you laugh as I fold to you at the tables. You shall see. You will enjoy my company.......

Cause I am a warm fuzzy she-bear....LMAO

Anyway.....I am a lover not a beggar. Don't give me anything. I want to earn it, the old-fashioned way. Too many want the world handed to them on a silver platter. I get irritated with the current "GIMME" generation....they want the rewards without the work.

You guys stick to your guns. There is little we can do but be at your mercy. Hopefully the rewards for hoping and waiting are sweet.

Thank you....and see you at some other tourneys until the day I see you at your own.......

6PackBear

[BadAndy]

Having a certain minimum of posts per week is no good. People hop on the site for 5 minutes and get them out of the way, then get back to what they were doing. It's just not fair to the members that have been around for awhile and have stayed loyal for a long time. I would be disappointed to see any of the people with under 50 posts join the freeroll. Anyone can scrap up 50 posts in a week's notice.

To those of you that came for the freeroll, you don't deserve to play in it, but why don't you realize that there will be more in the future, and contributing to the forum regularly will get you into those. Don't storm away because you don't get into this one, that would just furthermore prove us right in our assumption of you all being here for the freerolls in the first place.

-- Andy

[beriac]

I think every possible metric where you measure someone's contribution will be flawed and there will be some way to "game" it, whether it's number of posts, total length of all posts, frequency of posts, or what have you. That's the problem with counting stuff up and using hard rules rather than judgment...

I think the trick is, though, to somehow give newbies who come here something to play for early on. I mean let's be honest, people often first arrive because they heard about the freeroll. So having different levels would help by offering something up to the new folks without the requisite contribution levels, and then they have something to do associated with the forum while they work their way up to the bigger freerolls. That's just a brainstorm idea, though, I have no idea if it's practical.

[AGreen]

This isn't intended to be assine, but it might end up that way. I think the only reason you're saying this is because you are one of the newer members and you're looking to get into another freeroll.

[6PackBear]

You know that nothing is free....and what goes around comes around. You need to work for your rewards in life.

I believe in karma and the power of the card gods.....LOL.

I see that I have been rewarded by being invited to this Sunday's Titan Freeroll. And I wish to thank the management for that. Only 50 people...WOW...that will be my smallest freeroll ever ! I guess it will be very tight and tough competition. Difficult for a newbie like me....but so much fun and great experience.

So thanks again and GL to the other 49 who will have to put up with my lousy skills.

6PackBear (Gentle Ben in disguise)

[beriac]

Originally Posted by AGreen

This isn't intended to be assine, but it might end up that way. I think the only reason you're saying this is because you are one of the newer members and you're looking to get into another freeroll.

Well we have a catch 22 then don't we? Poker forums try to attract new members by offering freerolls on popular poker sites the same way department stores attract customers by offering sales - it's marketing. But folks who go to the department store to buy the stuff on sale aren't called "cheap", as that's the very reason the store had a sale; yet a new forumite who tries to contribute legitimately to earn his way into the advertised freeroll is looked down upon in exactly that way.

I think if the quality of my posts has been low, then yeah it makes sense for you to call me out on that and say "he just wants to get in the freeroll", but if not, and you still accuse me of it, there's nothing I can do to change your mind... After all, if I don't post much, I'll look like I'm trying to get into the freeroll without contributing. If I post a lot, you'll think I'm just doing it to get into the freeroll (as going to the store for the sale is a bad thing).

Thus the catch 22...

At the forums I do hang out at I am a regular poster, but I am starting to see a downside of trying new sites that you see advertising a freeroll... I actually avoid most freerolls, personally, because they might offer a good return on investment of cash but not on investment of time; tends to be lower quality poker and doesn't do much for my game. That's why I found this forum's freeroll structure so attractive: tighter group and (presumably) better play. At the other forums I participate in, I'm often more interested in their forum buy-ins than the freerolls.

Apologies if this seems like an overkill rebuttal, it's just that backhanded comments like "the only reason you're saying this is because you are one of the newer members and you're looking to get into another freeroll" kind of force me on the defensive...

On another note, many thanks to the BPP Admin here for inviting me to today's freeroll. Hopefully it will be a blast!

[AGreen]

Beriac, I agree that you do contribute because I also have an account on Cardschat forum (as LFC89) and I see that you really generate good discussion there. I don't post too much there anymore since I joined here but I also don't play in the freerolls they host, even though the option is still there.

You're also right about the Catch 22 of posting. The only way to decide if someone joined for the freerolls is to see if they still regularly post after the freerolls are over, and by then it doesn't matter because they have already played and possibly won money.

Also, what Andy said about overposting to try and meet requirements, the part about making some 50 posts in one week, is a reality and we all know that there are some members who just signed up and figure that they can do this and get away with it.

I said I had no intentions of being a jerk ("This isn't intended to be assine") but there was no other way that I could think of to write that post, so I'm sorry if you took extreme personal offense.

[beriac]

(Made some edits to the above posts for readability and brevity!)

No worries man... I totally understand where you're coming from. I wouldn't say I took 'extreme personal offense', but more like it's something I've been thinking about and your post kinda made me want to express it.

That's what I mean about the catch 22 -- I guess no one will know if I'm gonna disappear after the freeroll until it's come and gone, and until then all I can do is try to earn my way in.

But I do see all the real chasers out there who don't really do much to disguise it, I see how it dilutes a quality forum, and I see how it can frustrate the "regulars", I just wanted to bring some attention to the plight of those in the middle.